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Keep it on the Rails! – SWBTF #17

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Welcome back to Star Wars Beyond the Films!

This week’s discussion is about Star Wars publishing.

Is it better having a series written by one author, co-authored, or multiple authors?

Mark tries out a new recording room this week, and Nathan keeps outing himself this month.
What is you stance on the big series?
Has Del Rey dropped the ball? Did they go the wrong direction after the New Jedi Order? Mark explains why he feels the NJO was a success and that Del Rey needs to go back to a well thought out series.

Did Legacy of the Force not do well because the authors didn’t pick up each other’s stories? Did it leave the reader feeling disconnected? Nathan says the unthinkable… INTERCHANGABLE!?!!!
You hosts take a quick look at certain author’s trends. Lucenopedia, Zahn’s Thrawn/Mara, Karen’s Mando=centric, Stover- too deep to think and more. They mentioned Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Meh.

They focus on the FotJ series and the styles of each author. Does the post NJO suffer from a Denning thick direction? Or does this strengthen that end of the era having one author being the backbone of the plots?
They touch on closing stories. Bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, did Denning hit a homer? Or did he bunt? Fans seem to have varying opinions on this.

Nathan touches on the WARS series, the direction the writters take with that series, and how it plays out.

When authors pick up on elements from one story and use those in the next you feel like the story is connected. One author vs co authors argument is that they focus on whether a reader can tell when the author shifts during the story. Nathan explains the process of story writing in Star Wars when he wrote his Tales story.

Do co-authored books constantly evolve as a series is written? Do ideas generate as the writing team works? This could for some plots to be forgotten about as the story progresses.
Do authors different perceptions hurt the story? Some of the plots and story-lines seemed to be dropped in LotF when the authors would swap out from book to book.
Is it a failure to have a series with a villian not plotted out? Do the stories need more planning and a little thing called an exit strategy or not? Was Jacen Solo’s story sacrificed on the alter of publishing?

Is there more pay off in a larger series or a smalle one? Should authors spell things out? Should things be left so wide open that multiple answers can be seen? Though this could cause fan fights across fandom.
Should series be released closer together? Does the long gap between hardcovers HURT series?
NJO: One series? Or an Era set with standalones, duologies and trilogies?

This week’s topic makes both hosts want to pull their hair out.

Can multiple author trilogies work if each focuses on separate points of views? For instance one takes the Jedi, one takes the Sith, and another takes the Empire/Galactic Alliance. Could that work?
Mark rants his irritation with Del Rey’s choice to “not do large series” due to the last two, nine book series success ( or rather lack there of). He feels they made the wrong call, or drawn the wrong conclusion from the complaints about those series.
Plans for books, no matter how well planned, take the right author to bring them to life.
Is a solid plan, or a free flowing idea creating process better? Who’s to say?
Who green lights new changes that over rule older plot elements in the EU saga?
Quality control has no control these days, it would seem. Is this the plan?!
Mark hopes they avoid the villian of the week stragety, or place some bigger series in eras that are not well explored.
Did the fans who were vocal about disliking larger series scare Del Rey into giving up on what COULD be a winning strategy?
One off adventures that play into a larger story- this is ONE example of successful story planning.
Sometimes happy accidents happen when a character grows into a main element.
Should Del Rey start planning now for a EPIC large story come the 40th anniversary?
Does having a plan matter to you? Are fans divided on this?

Nathan calls out Zahn over the planning of Mara and Luke’s marriage all along.
J.I.N.O…. Mark is starting to understand that he’s Jacen In Name Only, a concept that drove him nuts, but now…. perhaps it’s more dead on then he originally figured.
“Derailment” it would seem is the biggest offender to most fans. Be it character, over all plot, what ever, keep it on the rails!

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There is No Try – SWR #41

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Welcome back to the Star Wars Report podcast!

On this episode, your hosts Mark, Riley and Bethany are joined by special guest host Jason of the Wampa’s Lair Podcast! We talk about many things Star Wars, and talk to Jason about how he got into Star Wars, and what his favorite Star Wars moments are, among other things.

Star Wars Identities has an official website!

We gave several Star Wars Celebration Six updates,  and talked about Lucasfilm’s decision to abandon the facility building plans they had for Marin County, CA.

A new Darth Maul comic has been announced.

DK publishing donates $95,000 in children’s books on behalf of the 501st and the Rebel Legion!

We also discuss Star Wars Kinect a bit more.

Why is The Clone Wars writer Brent Friedman skulking around LF?

What is coming in the future of Star Wars, now that TCW is getting older, and the Fate of the Jedi series is at an end, what stories will be told? What will happen to the Jedi?

We talked about Del Ray’s April fools joke, and laughed about it.

We hope you enjoy this episode, and remember, many Bothans died to bring you this podcast!

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Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse Review

Apocalypse Review

About three years ago the Fate of the Jedi series started with the novel Outcast.  If you stuck with the series you know that Luke was exiled from Coruscant, Daala was in charge of the Galactic Alliance, Ben has a Sith girlfriend, Abeloth is a threat to the galaxy, and Jag and Jaina are back together.  We have been all over the galaxy including visits to planets from novels like The Courtship of Princess Leia and The Planet of Twilight.  The series has been a bit of a rollercoaster with some books outshining others and none of them shining too brightly.

On Tuesday, March 13th, the final book in the nine book series will be released.  With a title like Apocalypse, the series promised to end with a bang.  Here is the official novel description:

There can be no surrender.
There will be no mercy.
It’s not just the future of the galaxy at stake –
It’s the destiny of the Force.

In the stunning finale of the epic Fate of the Jedi series, Jedi and Sith face off—with Coruscant as their battlefield. For the Sith, it’s the chance to restore their dominance over the galaxy that forgot them for so long. For Abeloth, it’s a giant step in her quest to conquer all life everywhere. For Luke Skywalker, it’s a call to arms to eradicate the Sith and their monstrous new master once and for all.

In a planetwide strike, teams of Jedi Knights take the Sith infiltrators by swift and lethal surprise. But victory against the cunning and savage Abeloth, and the terrifying endgame she has planned, is anything but certain. And as Luke, Ben, Han, Leia, Jaina, Jag, and their allies close in, the devastating truth about the dark side incarnate will be exposed—and send shock waves through the Jedi Order, the galaxy, and the Force itself.

The novel is written by Troy Denning who lately has had a lot of influence on the Star Wars Expanded Universe.  Since 2005 he has written 9 of the 21 novels in the main, ongoing story.  In the nine book Legacy of the Force series he was also given the final novel.  One of the criticisms of certain Star Wars authors has been the overuse of pet characters or groups, like Zahn with Mara Jade and the Chiss.  For Denning it has always been the Killiks, Barabels, and Squibs and all play a part in this book.  I was happy to see that the Squibs were reduced to essentially a cameo appearance.  The Killiks and Barabels both play major roles but in my opinion both made sense for their part in the story.  The Killiks were used to reveal information that could be considered game changing for the Star Wars Universe and I just ate up that portion of the book.

Anytime a big series like this wraps up you have to wonder if something big is going to happen, like the death of a major character.  We all know the “big three” are safe (Luke, Han, Leia) but there are many other characters now that I care about, Ben, Jaina, Tahiri, Corran Horn, just to name a few.  This book does keep you on the edge of your seat and many characters are in peril throughout.  Where some of the other books in the series seemed to plod along, this one was almost all action all the time.  There is one scene of personal sacrifice that may even rival the epic death of Ganner Rhysode in the book Traitor.

One thing that has confused me about this series is the politics of The Galactic Alliance and the Empire.  There is very little logic to how leaders are chosen or come to power.  This book continues that trend with a borderline ridiculous debate/election that was thought up on a whim and the citizens just went with it.  I as a reader did not just go with it and the politics dragged me out of the book.  It was almost as if they knew this book would be released on an election year and were trying to parallel real world events.  I prefer Star Wars to be a little less real world and more like Star Wars.

A couple of small complaints aside, I really enjoyed this book.  There was something for everyone.  If you are a fan of Saba, Corran, Tahiri, or Zekk they all had their moments.  Jaina and Ben both kick some butt and do the Skywalker/Solo clan proud.  Even Boba Fett fans will have something to cheer about.  There was an unexpected (although I should have seen it coming) tie in to The Clone Wars TV show that should excite some fans and also spark much debate.  Hints of things from the Legacy comic series like the One Sith will make comic fans happy.  And speaking of the One Sith, there is an appearance of a character who might be someone, and if it’s who I think it is… well you’ll just have to read it.

Apocalypse was a satisfying ending to the Fate of the Jedi series.  It for the most part resolves the story of the Lost Tribe and Abeloth, but leaves just enough unanswered that you know there is more coming.  Some of the threads that were left open have me very excited for the future of the galaxy.

Random Thoughts:
The Jedi almost seemed to take too much joy in killing their Sith rivals.  Not very Jedi like.
Ben and Vestara have some cringe worthy flirtation.  Oh, teenage love.
Does bacta have the ability to regrow fingers?
Some moments with the Jedi leading the space marines made me think of the Clone Wars.
Allana is really good with a blaster for a 7 year old.

You can buy the book here.

Leave your thoughts comments and below.

– Aaron Goins