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Sith vs Jedi! Or Was That Jedi vs Sith? – SWBTF #15

Welcome back to Star Wars Beyond the Films!

On this episode, your hosts Nathan and Mark discuss the type of storytelling in Star Wars, specifically in reference to the similar patterns you see in the Star Wars universe. Sith come and go, they rise to power and are defeated, only to rise, once again a threat. Is it a pattern we enjoy, and one that is beneficial to Star Wars, or not?  There are, after all, power parallels and patterns in our own history.

Lather, rinse and repeat: This is a buisness model, right? Does the EU’s circular nature with the Sith undermine the ending of the Return of the Jedi?

Can the ever going battles between the Jedi and the Sith be harmful to the Saga?

For movie only fans, do stories like Dark Empire feel like a slap in the face of Vader’s sacrifice?
Mark tries to get into the mindset to address the issue untainted by the Dark Side (the EU Side.) New Sith, Old Sith, One Sith, Lost Tribe Sith, Sith Emperors, Sith Marauders, Sith Wannabe’s, Banite Sith, Daminite Sith, how many Sith are there? Too many? The hosts delve deep in this episode.

Nathan looks forward to Kol and Cade Skywalker, the struggles of the future Skywalkers, and the Skywalker line being destined to stand against the Sith.

Nathan uses history to explain how the circles of life work and how it is plausible in the EU to have the Sith keep coming back like a bad cold.
Mark points out that even the Mandalorians keep coming back like the Sith. That the Jedi, Sith and the Mando’s are the BIG THREE of the Star Wars Universe. And, he ponders Emperor Palpatine’s living past RotJ and how Lucas himself was behind the “cloning of Palpatine” and how this may or may not have caused issues. Was a happy medium found? Or is there still potential for more retcons and additional stories around the Emperor’s personal clone usage?

Can the Sith be wiped out? In the EU that doesn’t seem to be the case, sometimes. Where can the story of Kam Solusar be found? Untold stories… who sets the bar? What IS off limits? Should the Sith have been left off limits? The hosts look at the examples of the Re-emergant Sith and if that was done well or not.

They discuss Lumiya’s early adventures. Mark points out that Darth Maul’s living after being halved shouldn’t come to a surprise to many EU fans. For instance, there’s Simus – the Sith, disembodied HEAD! If HE can live being just as a head, then Maul’s survival is a little less surprising.

Mark does not trust any Sith, and would like to see more clear cut answers to his questions about them from future Star Wars novels. Nathan points out how Lumiya’s backstory could have had more page time in Legacy of the Force. Then he gives a quick break down of the Sith Order over time. They discuss Untainted Sith… Sith who are Jedi? Jedaii?! They also discuss the Nightsisters – the female order who remind us very much of the Sith at times. Mark ponders that it could be worse then just a lot of Sith. The potential for more species being corrupted by Force users is very high in the SWEU.

They discuss the Lightning Rod of the Sith, (Jacen Solo) and more!
The Sith are like mold. You think you’ve wiped them all out, and they come back, more dangerous then you originally thought. Don’t laugh, more Jedi succumb to the Sith Mold then you might think! Also, some fan’s complain about the Sith re-occuring, but not so many argue the same about the Empire, even though the same case could be made.

Enjoy this episode, and never quote us the odds!

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